That movie thing on Tuesday...

So, I went to the sex documentary/discussion thing again on Tuesday. The movie was about bisexuality and was so-so, but the discussion afterwards was great.

At one point the ghost-hunting dude, who's into polyamory and BDSM, said that he the swinger community can be homophobic, and that that even saying that you enjoy rubbing scrotums with another guy during a double-penetration can cause problems if you tell the wrong swinger.

Otherwise, he prefers the term "heteroflexible".

Later, another guy said that the swinger community is like hyper-normalcy, since all the guys are really masculine and the women are really objectified, and that's why homophobia is present.

The swingers nodded at this, and the ghost-hunting dude said they'd talked a lot about this -- they're all roommates! -- and then added that they've done informal surveys of swingers and BDSM people, and swingers on the whole are older, whiter, richer, more Republican, and more homophobic.

In terms of statistics, the hostess, who is a BDSM dom woman, said that there's a BDSM generational gap, and that most older people are fixed tops (=dominant) or bottoms (=submissive), but that a lot more younger people are switches (=either, depending).

This one handicapped gay dude who had shown up at the disabilities-and-dating screening showed up again, and he stuttered out about bisexuality that it's acceptable in the culture at large for women since it's reallly about patriarchy and straight men wanting to see women kissing.

(Before the discussion, and after the movie, I was behind the one handicapped gay dude when we went up to get some water, and he had a hard time pouring the water and spilled some on himself... Not sure if I should have asked if he wanted me to pour some for him.)

Anyhow, at his comment, I raised my hand and seconded that, and said that for a thought experiment, probably a lot of people would find female bisexuality a lot less cute if it wasn't drunk girls kissing, and it was a woman who swung both ways actually deciding to settle down with another woman, and at that a black lesbian (but not pierced or fat, more like a light-skinned in-shape non-threatening black woman you'd see in a commercial for white people) was like, "That's right!", and the ghost-hunting dude spoke up and was like, "Call it the Lindsey Lohan effect," which I thought was spot-on.

Also, the doc reffed a recent famous sex study that said that there was no male bisexuality, and at discussion time the swingers said they knew the prof, and they blame him for poor study design since he used fake porn and not videotape of real people fucking, since more people overall find that more erotic.

"The problem is that he's just not that experienced," the woman swinger was like.

At that, several BDSM guys in the room - the ghost-hunting dude, and one child psychologist guy around my age - both said that if you hooked them up with a mercury-filled rubberband around their penis, they'd find gay leather porn more erotic than just some chick masturbating, and how do you account for that.