Addendum.

Also, there was a whole spirituality discussion at the BDSM talk, but I left that out of my post.

A lot of BDSMers see it as a spiritual practice of disengaging from worries and putting trust in another person, and both people grown in their relationship. The swinger lady brought up the topic by saying she thought of that throughout the entire movie, and I added that during the polyamory movie I thought of the autobiographies of monks and nuns a lot, because the husband of the woman interested in polyamory intellectually accepted polyamory as good but had to work through instinctive jealousy, and that reminded me of what happens when monastics live in communities and do the same thing, like Ste. Therese of Lisieux, who was bothered by this nun who would always clear her throat in chapel, but instead of telling her to stop, Ste. Therese instead decided to redirect her thoughts to the overwhelming love of Christ every time that happened, and so for the good of the community ideal re-conditioned her instinctive reaction to something otherwise annoying to something even arguably more spiritually-produtive than chapel, which Ste. Therese thought she just sat through a lot instead of focusing on.

"That's deep," the swinger lady was like, and she meant it, appreciatively, and when I apologized and said that I hoped that didn't make anyone uncomfortable, she was like, "No, it takes a lot more than that to shock us," and later a Mexican woman in her early 20s talked about the erotic imagery of Catholic art, and how that's in the back of her mind as she's reforged her relation to sexuality through BDSM relationships.