Addendum.

About the whole new trans population, my one (half British) (half Sudanese) friend (the brother of the brother-sister pair) always calls attention to commonalities between gay people and trans people, and asks how much do people from the different populations really have in common.

He also said that in the past year in London, he heard a group of (gay) men talking and saying that they didn't want to go to this one bar, since it was all "fake men" (!!!), and he said that he got the impression that they just didn't really take them seriously.

It's interesting, too, because he's had 1 of the 2 recent takes on the new trans population that I've found interesting.

According to him, he says it's mostly a consumer rights group, because if you really drill in on what they want, the core demand is hormones on demand at any age, and that's a consumer rights demand.

The other take I heard was from some people who are in circles around the one (local) (animator) who I know, who are increasingly saying that the new trans population is a religious group where they have a dogma about souls being in the wrong body, and either you buy into that premise or you don't, and everything follows from there.

Like, they support people being able to dress how they want and adults to take hormones within reason etc., but otherwise it's like someone putting a very specific religion in schools or asking to convert you, and they shouldn't pretend it's science or some neutral norm, but rather it's a very specific religion that should have all the protections that all religions have but at the same time other people should be able to recognize it as such and say "NO" and put boundaries on it like any other religion trying to worm its way into state institutionalization.